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Jan. 25th, 2010 @ 03:49 pm The Book of Genocide
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:April 2nd, 2010 03:50 pm (UTC)
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final comment...

here is much more that can be said here but I cannot write a book, for one the cruel irony that is lost to most everybody (especially the kind of smug types who are so convinced they get irony) including Jews who are so fast asleep in the main to what is going on just beneath the surface, on the nature and roots of anti-Semitism among the Western "secular" Left, ironic since its deeper roots and dynamics are not removed from the backdrop of Christian anti-Semitism over the centuries. That is a whole other thing though. That irony though touches on several taboos and it's just one reason why it is not recognised except by very very few. If the gods do exist (well maybe yes maybe no) they do have an ironic sense of humour, if a very dark one.

Incidentally the worldwide flood (a universal legend found throughout many cultures of the world in fact, from ancient Greece to India to the New World) is like Sodom and Gemorrah, not at the centre of Christian theology. The Passion Play is, along with the Nativity, and the life of Christ in between (even if it is a fiction). Hence CHRISTianity.

Larry aka anonymous
I hate to post under the anonymous tag but appear to have a problem posting with livejournal. It causes confusion I know. I am not to be confused with the other anonymous Jew who left a very thoughtful post on the Lieberman thread.
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From:james_morrow
Date:April 3rd, 2010 03:02 pm (UTC)
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A point of education and clarification. The antecedent to the worldwide flood narrative is found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, including many of the same details that later appear in Genesis, such as the bird who heralds dry land.

In any event, the Deluge continues to occupy a central place in the evangelical Christian imagination -- consider all those expeditions to Mount Ararat -- and yet the whole ark narrative is fundamentally a celebration of divine genocide: hence the admittedly provocative title of my posting.

You're certainly right that Sodom and Gomorrah is not at the center of the Christian argument -- but the entire enterprise *does* turn on the Fall of Man as recorded in the Torah (though that is not how a Jew would read the Garden of Eden story). Dip into Christian theological literature, from Augustine to Kierkegaard, and you'll see what I mean.

I believe your quarrel should not be with liberal secular humanists like myself, whose views are radically and demonstrably at odds with two thousand years of Christian anti-Semitism, but rather with the evangelicals and the Rapture mongers. You seem to be angrily invested in an anti-secularism whose roots elude me.

I heartily agree with you that we must not strain on the gnat of Sodom while swallowing the camel of Jihad. Thousands of atheists, secularists, and feminists have expressed their disgust with radical Islam over the years -- consider, for example, Sam Harris's widely read "The End of Faith" -- and I'm bewildered that you imagine otherwise. But that is another day's discussion.

Edited at 2010-04-03 04:51 pm (UTC)